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2η φορα σωστος συνεχομενα! τρελαινομαι με fits!!
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Εγω θελω Γρηγορη admin για μια μερα με ειδικη αδεια να banαρει οποιον θελει για ενα μηνα.
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Θα αδειασει το forum ρε, τρελαθηκες;
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Εγω πιστευω οτι δε θα μπαναρει κανεναν.Ειναι σωστος ο Fits Εμεις Ελλαδα ποτε θα το εχουμε το εργαλειο ρε παιδες?
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Εγώ λέω να αρχίσουμε να ποντάρουμε. Λέω Φλεβάρη και οι 2 κονσόλες.
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Δε θελω και τις 2 μαζι γιατι θα μου φανει καπως να σκασω το 800αρι με τη μια.Φαντασου να με παρει Κωτσος τηλ και να μου πει οτι αυριο παραλαμβανω και τις 2.Θα πεθανω απο τη συγκινηση
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γιατι δεν εβαλες ατοκες δοσεις με πιστωτικη ?
μεχρι 24 δοσεις μπορεις.
μεχρι 24 δοσεις μπορεις.
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Πω ρε φιλε 800αρακι = 780GTX η 770GTX SLI. Σκληρο setup
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Γιατι δε γουσταρω δοσεις απο τη στιγμη που τα εχω μαζεψει τα λεφτα.Απλα ειναι λιγο σκληρο να τα δωσω ολα με τη μια Εχω ηδη το wii u με δοσεις.Mr_Terror έγραψε:γιατι δεν εβαλες ατοκες δοσεις με πιστωτικη ?
μεχρι 24 δοσεις μπορεις.
Αυτες οι δυο μπαινουν στο pc που εχω?ItsDanik έγραψε:Πω ρε φιλε 800αρακι = 780GTX η 770GTX SLI. Σκληρο setup
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Εχω πεσει απο τη καρεκλα και σβαρνιζομαι στα πατωματα λεμε!Vag.93 έγραψε:Οταν οι μασκοτ συναντιουνται....κλαιω...χαχαχαχαχαχα
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Penello specifies why X1vsPS4 performance difference is overstated
I see my statements the other day caused more of a stir than I had intended. I saw threads locking down as fast as they pop up, so I apologize for the delayed response.
I was hoping my comments would lead the discussion to be more about the games (and the fact that games on both systems look great) as a sign of my point about performance, but unfortunately I saw more discussion of my credibility.
So I thought I would add more detail to what I said the other day, that perhaps people can debate those individual merits instead of making personal attacks. This should hopefully dismiss the notion I'm simply creating FUD or spin.
I do want to be super clear: I'm not disparaging Sony. I'm not trying to diminish them, or their launch or what they have said. But I do need to draw comparisons since I am trying to explain that the way people are calculating the differences between the two machines isn't completely accurate. I think I've been upfront I have nothing but respect for those guys, but I'm not a fan of the mis-information about our performance.
So, here are couple of points about some of the individual parts for people to consider:
• 18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU.
• Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall.
• We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted.
• We have at least 10% more CPU. Not only a faster processor, but a better audio chip also offloading CPU cycles.
• We understand GPGPU and its importance very well. Microsoft invented Direct Compute, and have been using GPGPU in a shipping product since 2010 - it's called Kinect.
• Speaking of GPGPU - we have 3X the coherent bandwidth for GPGPU at 30gb/sec which significantly improves our ability for the CPU to efficiently read data generated by the GPU.
Hopefully with some of those more specific points people will understand where we have reduced bottlenecks in the system. I'm sure this will get debated endlessly but at least you can see I'm backing up my points.
I still I believe that we get little credit for the fact that, as a SW company, the people designing our system are some of the smartest graphics engineers around – they understand how to architect and balance a system for graphics performance. Each company has their strengths, and I feel that our strength is overlooked when evaluating both boxes.
Given this continued belief of a significant gap, we're working with our most senior graphics and silicon engineers to get into more depth on this topic. They will be more credible then I am, and can talk in detail about some of the benchmarking we've done and how we balanced our system.
Thanks again for letting my participate. Hope this gives people more background on my claims.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80951633&postcount=195
I see my statements the other day caused more of a stir than I had intended. I saw threads locking down as fast as they pop up, so I apologize for the delayed response.
I was hoping my comments would lead the discussion to be more about the games (and the fact that games on both systems look great) as a sign of my point about performance, but unfortunately I saw more discussion of my credibility.
So I thought I would add more detail to what I said the other day, that perhaps people can debate those individual merits instead of making personal attacks. This should hopefully dismiss the notion I'm simply creating FUD or spin.
I do want to be super clear: I'm not disparaging Sony. I'm not trying to diminish them, or their launch or what they have said. But I do need to draw comparisons since I am trying to explain that the way people are calculating the differences between the two machines isn't completely accurate. I think I've been upfront I have nothing but respect for those guys, but I'm not a fan of the mis-information about our performance.
So, here are couple of points about some of the individual parts for people to consider:
• 18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU.
• Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall.
• We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted.
• We have at least 10% more CPU. Not only a faster processor, but a better audio chip also offloading CPU cycles.
• We understand GPGPU and its importance very well. Microsoft invented Direct Compute, and have been using GPGPU in a shipping product since 2010 - it's called Kinect.
• Speaking of GPGPU - we have 3X the coherent bandwidth for GPGPU at 30gb/sec which significantly improves our ability for the CPU to efficiently read data generated by the GPU.
Hopefully with some of those more specific points people will understand where we have reduced bottlenecks in the system. I'm sure this will get debated endlessly but at least you can see I'm backing up my points.
I still I believe that we get little credit for the fact that, as a SW company, the people designing our system are some of the smartest graphics engineers around – they understand how to architect and balance a system for graphics performance. Each company has their strengths, and I feel that our strength is overlooked when evaluating both boxes.
Given this continued belief of a significant gap, we're working with our most senior graphics and silicon engineers to get into more depth on this topic. They will be more credible then I am, and can talk in detail about some of the benchmarking we've done and how we balanced our system.
Thanks again for letting my participate. Hope this gives people more background on my claims.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80951633&postcount=195
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Ο Penello παρελειψε να αναφερει τα ROPS, που στην θεωρια (και το τονιζω), οριζουν ουσιαστικα την δυναμη μιας καρτας.
Και το PS4 εχει 32 ενω το X1 16 (δε ξερω γιατι επελεξε να παραλειψη την αναφορα αυτη και εστιασε στα cores μονο).
Στην πραξη η διαφορα θα ειναι μικροτερη, γιατι ενω το PS4 ειναι Brute force, το Xbox εχει αρκετους επιταχυντες που ελαφρυνουν τα διαφορα υποσυστηματα του.
Και το PS4 εχει 32 ενω το X1 16 (δε ξερω γιατι επελεξε να παραλειψη την αναφορα αυτη και εστιασε στα cores μονο).
Στην πραξη η διαφορα θα ειναι μικροτερη, γιατι ενω το PS4 ειναι Brute force, το Xbox εχει αρκετους επιταχυντες που ελαφρυνουν τα διαφορα υποσυστηματα του.
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Penello on X1 vs PS4: "Developers are confirming cross platform games are running the same on both platforms"
Originally Posted by le.phat
Why do you keep stating that the perfomance difference is greatly overstated? Is the ps4's Gpu and ram solution not better then X1? Unlike previous gens, the architecture is almost exactly similiar so how can such a large theoratical gap not make a difference? Have seen the machines back to back? Have you hands on stress reports? What is the basis for that statement?
Basis is this:
1. Personally, I've seen both systems and games live at E3, Gamescom, and PAX. Played a little bit of PS4 games at PAX. There are great looking games on both systems. Ryse looks great, Forza is fantastic. I think Killzone looks awesome, and honestly have not been impressed with DriveClub (although it came a LONG way since E3). I really would like to see Infamous in person, but it hasn't been shown that I've seen. However, any difference between those games is subjective of course and subject to viewer bias, but looking at both systems it's hard to substantiate any claims around 40% - 50%
2. We're in the final stages of game and SW development now. We're working closely with 3rd parties as we approach launch. Reports we're hearing back from developers consistently are confirming that cross-plat games are running the same on both platforms.
I believe there is a point back near E3 where developers would have said their games were running better on PS4. I think Marc Whitten made the point that we'd just completed some driver work about a month ago just before Gamescom. And look at the frame-rate improvements in DR3 between Gamescom and PAX. We're making huge strides in our SW stability, and again, we have customized and balanced the system to reduce bottlenecks and optimize performance, in ways that aren't seen in the published specs.
As to the follow-up questions; I posted earlier I'm working with the engineers directly who I think (and you guys think) will be more credible than I am. I did say that I went to them for some supporting points which I posted here - so at this point it's probably best to let them speak on it. I'm not sure when, but more detail will show up.
It's late, and it's clear I'm doing more harm then good at this point. So best to let this rest from my seat and get back to you guys with the most credible source.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80999997&postcount=1163
Originally Posted by le.phat
Why do you keep stating that the perfomance difference is greatly overstated? Is the ps4's Gpu and ram solution not better then X1? Unlike previous gens, the architecture is almost exactly similiar so how can such a large theoratical gap not make a difference? Have seen the machines back to back? Have you hands on stress reports? What is the basis for that statement?
Basis is this:
1. Personally, I've seen both systems and games live at E3, Gamescom, and PAX. Played a little bit of PS4 games at PAX. There are great looking games on both systems. Ryse looks great, Forza is fantastic. I think Killzone looks awesome, and honestly have not been impressed with DriveClub (although it came a LONG way since E3). I really would like to see Infamous in person, but it hasn't been shown that I've seen. However, any difference between those games is subjective of course and subject to viewer bias, but looking at both systems it's hard to substantiate any claims around 40% - 50%
2. We're in the final stages of game and SW development now. We're working closely with 3rd parties as we approach launch. Reports we're hearing back from developers consistently are confirming that cross-plat games are running the same on both platforms.
I believe there is a point back near E3 where developers would have said their games were running better on PS4. I think Marc Whitten made the point that we'd just completed some driver work about a month ago just before Gamescom. And look at the frame-rate improvements in DR3 between Gamescom and PAX. We're making huge strides in our SW stability, and again, we have customized and balanced the system to reduce bottlenecks and optimize performance, in ways that aren't seen in the published specs.
As to the follow-up questions; I posted earlier I'm working with the engineers directly who I think (and you guys think) will be more credible than I am. I did say that I went to them for some supporting points which I posted here - so at this point it's probably best to let them speak on it. I'm not sure when, but more detail will show up.
It's late, and it's clear I'm doing more harm then good at this point. So best to let this rest from my seat and get back to you guys with the most credible source.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80999997&postcount=1163
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ακριβως το ιδιο σκεφτομουνItsDanik έγραψε:Πω ρε φιλε 800αρακι = 780GTX η 770GTX SLI. Σκληρο setup
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Λοιπον για να τελειωνουμε και να μην γραφω πολλα?
xbox one η ps4?Εχει τελικα διαφορες το ps4 στην δυναμη που λενε ,οι παπαριες.Αυτα και ευχαριστω.
xbox one η ps4?Εχει τελικα διαφορες το ps4 στην δυναμη που λενε ,οι παπαριες.Αυτα και ευχαριστω.
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ολα στην πραξη
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Παντως αν ειναι να παρεις μια κονσολα που ναι λιγο ταχυτερη απ την αλλη που δεν φαινεται και μια τρελοδιαφορα...φτιαξε κανα pc..οχι και με τρελα χρηματα :-P
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Καλησπερα παιδια! Θα ήθελα να ρωτήσω εαν προπαγγείλω το xbox one day one edition απο το amazon της Γαλλίας θα αντιμετωπισω καποιο προβλημα λογο region ή θα εχω καποιον αλλο περιορσμο. Και κατι ακομα αν γνωρίζεται το δεμα θα μου έρθει στο σπίτι ή τα μεγάλα πακετα τα παραλαμβάνεις από το ταχυδρομείο δεν ξερω ποια είναι η πολιτική του amazon στο συγκεκριμένο ζήτημα. Θα παρακαλούσα οποιον γνωριζει να με βοηθησει!
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To xbox one ειναι region free. Απο Amazon uk που εχω παραλαβει μεγαλα δεματα μου τα εχουν φερει στο σπιτι. απο γαλλια δεν ξερω. Λογικα πρεπει να εχει σημασια ο τροπος αποστολης. Αν ειναι κουριερ η ταχυδρομιο.
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Εγω που εχω γνβστο που εχει παραγγειλει απο το αμαζον το γαλλικο σπιτι του τα φερνουν.
με το xbox δεν θα χεις προβλημα απ'που κ αν το παρεις,αγγλια η γαλλια.
με το xbox δεν θα χεις προβλημα απ'που κ αν το παρεις,αγγλια η γαλλια.
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Και όπως γράφω πλέον μετά απο ένα τέτοιο οπτικό αποτέλεσμα του "work in progress" game στο X1 περιμένω να δω 40%-50% καλύτερα γραφικά στο ps4 δλδ αποτελέσμα που θα προσεγγίζει σχεδόν αυτό....
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Αυτο το λενε "Crytek" δεν το λενε "X1"
Sorry αν σε απογοητευω, αλλα τι σε κανει να πιστευεις οτι δεν ειναι καθαρα θεμα licensing και οχι "δυναμης κονσολας"?
Θελω να πω, οκ...Μαγκια της η MS, τα εσκασε και χτυπησε "εντυπωσιακο" exclusive με δυνατη μηχανη γραφικων.
Αν του χρονου σκασει η Sony λεφτα στη ιδια εταιρια για αλλο παιχνιδι και αξιοποιησει την δικη της δυναμη...τι σε κανει να πιστευεις οτι δε μπορει να παει καλυτερα ή τουλαχιστον στα ιδια?
Επισης αν το παιχνιδι ειναι οσο plain qte οσο δειχνει, δε μιλαμε για δυναμη. Μιλαμε για -επιτελους- αξιοποιηση του blu-ray απο την microsoft και ενα μικρο διαλλειμα πριν το επομενο παιχνιδι της quantic dream.
Μην γινεστε εριστικοι χωρις λογο. It's not a big deal...
Να βγει κανα Fable, κανα Halo, να πω ναι...οχι και να πεταμε την σκουφια μας για την διαδραστικη ταινια του μονομαχου σε νεες περιπετειες...
Sorry αν σε απογοητευω, αλλα τι σε κανει να πιστευεις οτι δεν ειναι καθαρα θεμα licensing και οχι "δυναμης κονσολας"?
Θελω να πω, οκ...Μαγκια της η MS, τα εσκασε και χτυπησε "εντυπωσιακο" exclusive με δυνατη μηχανη γραφικων.
Αν του χρονου σκασει η Sony λεφτα στη ιδια εταιρια για αλλο παιχνιδι και αξιοποιησει την δικη της δυναμη...τι σε κανει να πιστευεις οτι δε μπορει να παει καλυτερα ή τουλαχιστον στα ιδια?
Επισης αν το παιχνιδι ειναι οσο plain qte οσο δειχνει, δε μιλαμε για δυναμη. Μιλαμε για -επιτελους- αξιοποιηση του blu-ray απο την microsoft και ενα μικρο διαλλειμα πριν το επομενο παιχνιδι της quantic dream.
Μην γινεστε εριστικοι χωρις λογο. It's not a big deal...
Να βγει κανα Fable, κανα Halo, να πω ναι...οχι και να πεταμε την σκουφια μας για την διαδραστικη ταινια του μονομαχου σε νεες περιπετειες...
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Aυτό που βλέπω πάντως πάνω είναι awe-inspiring. Γραφικάρες. .-
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Graphics porn? Κάτι μου έκανε κι αυτό.
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